Did Jesus need grace?
When I read that sentence … “Did Jesus need grace?” First thing that came to mind is when He was in agony in the garden and prayed … the angel came to give Him strength … was that not grace to persevere in the Father’s Will? … Just wondering😉
Jesus IS grace.
CCC:1996 Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.
1997:Grace is a participation in the life of God. It introduces us into the intimacy of Trinitarian life.
So I’d say that in the sense of the shared intimacy of the Trinity, Grace was free flowing and abundant among them even when Jesus was here on Earth.
I am certainly not one to argue with an Ancient Soul. 🙂 Sounds good to me! And it made me think then of Jesus being tempted in the desert, and I would think that similarly, He must have needed grace to remain in the Father’s Will and overcome the temptations.
Pia, thank you so much. Now this is really interesting, because in your comment we see that “grace is favor”. I was just looking up a few different translations of Luke 2:52, and they all say “favor” except for the Douay-Rheims which says: “And Jesus advanced in wisdom, and age, and grace with God and men.”
Well, they say that the Holy Trinity is the biggest mystery of Catholicism, but I’m thinking that the hypostatic union comes in a very close second. Thanks Pia and thank you for visiting, Ancient Soul!
In His humanity, He may’ve had to learn how to ask for the power of the Holy Spirit to grant the Father’s grace to others until all power in heaven and earth was granted Him, from which He sent the Paraclete, but the Son of God need grace? Rather, I’d say only a sinner needs grace. He may’ve needed love, ‘though, because we see how the Father settled Him in it in Mary’s and Joseph’s holy family including grandparents, then expanded upon it with friends and believers, then sent Him love in the form of a comforting angel in the terrible Garden, then sent devastated love along the way — Veronica, the holy women and children lamenting, His Mother again, Simon of Cyrene, the Magdale, John, Dysmas.. then, the Centurion, Joseph of Arimathea, the Apostles again, and then us.
C, but temptation is not a sin, and we need grace to overcome temptation. Jesus was fully human in everything but sin, yet he was tempted. Wouldn’t He have needed grace, then? And if not, what do you make of what Luke and the Catechism say about favour and grace?
Was there ever a time when Jesus was not also God?
No, Jesus was always fully Divine and fully human, but that is what I’m trying to find the correct theological answer to regarding grace and His being fully human. I haven’t been able to find it anywhere I’ve read, but I’ll keep looking.
Is it this?: “He did not deem equality with God to be something to…” or as quoted from the DR online version, St. Paul to the Philippians, Ch. 2
 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man.  He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.  For which cause God also hath exalted him, and hath given him a name which is above all names:  That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth:
 “Emptied himself”… exinanivit, made himself as of no account.
I found what I am looking for
I hope you find what you are looking for.
I did some research this morning. I think the word we are looking for is Kenosis. I think it shows the workings of grace and might lead to an answer.
I certainly don’t know the answer but in Luke it says that Jesus “grew in wisdom, stature and grace before God and man.” Did he need grace? Not sure, but I think so. Did he accept grace? Most definitely. After all, he was like us in all things but sin.
He told John the Baptist in other words that His baptism wasn’t needed, but that it was fitting (for His human nature) so to just go ahead and do it.
Thank you all for your insights – I don’t know what caused me to ask this particular question at this time – usually when things like this come up for me there is a reason which I find out later. Although I wasn’t able to find a cut and dried answer, I think with all of your input, and Carol’s raising the subject of Christ’s emptying Himself, and also your last comment, Carol, re His Baptism being performed because He said it was “fitting”, I see more clearly now that even if Jesus did receive grace from the Father and the Holy Spirit to help Him through His life and trials on earth, it was only because He so totally humbled Himself to become one of us, in everything but sin. If Jesus did require, or ask for, or receive grace to strengthen Him at any time, it was only out of his great desire to share everything we experience, and out of the great humility He demonstrated in becoming man even though He was God.
Curiously enough, I received two things in my email yesterday which correspond to this post; one from the Women of Grace daily Gracelines: “If I love Jesus, I ought to resemble Him. If I love Jesus, I ought to love what He loves, what He prefers to all else: humility.” -St. Peter Julian Eymard, and the other from the Henri Nouwen Society that Kristin sometimes forwards to me:
“Hiddenness is an essential quality of the spiritual life. Solitude, silence, ordinary tasks, being with people without great agendas, sleeping, eating, working, playing … all of that without being different from others, that is the life that Jesus lived and the life he asks us to live. It is in hiddenness that we, like Jesus, can increase “in wisdom, in stature, and in favour with God and with people” (Luke 2:51). It is in hiddenness that we can find a true intimacy with God and a true love for people.
Even during his active ministry, Jesus continued to return to hidden places to be alone with God. If we don’t have a hidden life with God, our public life for God cannot bear fruit.”
It quotes the exact same passage from Luke that we have been discussing… what are the chances?
JT, I’m glad you found some sites that really give you the information you are looking for!
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